I'm fed up with lies and hype. After doom3 was revelaed to have very low polygon count for a GFFX/9700 requirement (JC adviced us against GF4) all the high-poly models in nvidias "techdemos" felt like a lie. I also have had nothing but problems with both my GeForce2 GTS and GF3 TV-out feature. I read ATIs 3dcards should be very good with that, so I feel cheated by this "we are the best" claims from nvidia. In any case I just bought a asus nforce 2 (deluxe) board and you can see lots of posts by me on the 3dsoundsourge forum defending my xbox audio experience, so I definately don't want nvidia dead. I need them to make good soundstorm drivers. Nvidia is selling the GF4 Ti's like hotcakes to the mainstream market so don't worry. I want better (high quality) things, not overclocked rackets.